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correspondence from India to which they one conclusion drawn, namely, that he was referred, and the general notoriety of the wholly unfit for the high station he occucircumstances to which that correspond- pied in the Company's service. Could ence alluded. He did not mean to say the Directors contradict the rumours which that it was wholly without foundation, but were daily arriving in this country from he would contend, that, in the form in India, of Lord Amherst's incapacity to which they appeared in that correspondence, fill the important trust of Governor-Gene-. none of the statements it contained could ral? If they could, why not have the be properly made the subject of a criminal justice to do so? If they could not, why charge. From the manner in which the not have the manliness to avow their want correspondence referred to several circum- of confidence in their Governor-General, stances, it was evidently written by some and let the odium of retaining an untit enemy of the Governor-General's. The man in the office rest where it ought? The story of his ordering a feu-de-joie for every charges alluded to by the mover and setrifling circumstance connecied with the

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not accusations of theirs advance of our troops, and of his being against Lord Amherst; and in calling the seen abroad only in fair weather, like the attention of the court to them, they only little woman in the barometer, might be wished to know whether the Court of very good evidence of the feeling and Directors could give them a contradiction ? disposition towards the noble Lord, of the If they could be contradicted, nething person who related them; but they were was more easy; if they could not, then not such matters as a Court of East-India the original motion was not only called Proprietors could act upon in any serious for, but it was the duty of the proprietors manner, much less in making them the to pass it. foundation of a proceeding deeply affect- Sir C. Forbes, observed that he had aling the character of their first executive ready expressed himself so fully on several officer. The gentlemen who had pre- occasions in that court, and elsewhere, on ceded him, dwelt at considerable length the subject of Lord Amherst's goverpupon the great talents and merits of Lord ment, that little farther remained for him Hastings; he would not follow them into to say : he would therefore have to occupy that topic ; Lord Hastings was not then the allention of the court but for a very before the Court, and his talents or merits short time. He had looked forward with had really nothiog to do with the question anxiety for any circumstances which might in discussion. The hon. mover and se- lead him to alter the opinion he had long conder had touched upon several other ago formed of that Lord's government, topics upon which it was his intention to but he found nothing which would warrant have remarked, and for that purpose he him in coming to a different conclusion. had takeh notes of some of them, but Had any thing occurred since the subject really, when he came to look at and exa- was last under discussion calculated to mine what he had noted, he found them produce a different impression on his so slight and unsubstantial, that he mind, he would most gladly have noticed thought it would only be unnecessarily it--but be found no reason to change his taking up the time of the court (which opinion, which unfortunately was the he was very unwilling to do at that late more and more confirmed (if indeed it hour of the evening), to offer any com- ever required confirmation on this question) ment on them. Looking at the whole of the more he considered the circumstancos the charges introduced by the hon. gentle- that produced it. As to the conduct of men, he thought they were brought for- Lord Hastings, he did not think it properly ward in such a manner, and rested upon belonged to the present question. He grounds so slight, that the court ought fully concurred, however, in most of what not to make them the foundation of any was said of that nobleman's administravote, but, on the contrary, they were bound tion. Still he did not approve of all to throw the shield of their protection over Lord Hastings did. There were some their Governor-General so accused. (Hear, points of his government in which he could hear, hear!) He therefore would support not coneur, but who, he would ask, could the amendment.

so govern India, or any country, as Dr. Gilchrist thought that the objects of to make himself liked and approved by the hon, mover and seconder of the ori- all parties? (Hear, hear !) There were, ginal motion were very much misunder- as he had just observed, some things stood. All they had contended for was, which happened in the administration of that if the Court of Directors had that that noble lord thathe could not approve; confidence in the talents and skill of Lord but still it was only justice to say, that Amherst, whidi some gentlemen seemed the more information he received upon to wish they should have, they were bound, some of those subjects, the less he was in justice to that nobleman and to them - inclined to look on them in the same selves, to come forward and declare it, and light in which they were first viewed by to give a contradiction to the rumours so

himself and others. There were, he generally circulated to the noble Lord's knew, many who had not at first ap. prejudice; and from which there was but proved of certain acts of Lord Hastings'



administration, who, on better information, our affairs there into a most flourish. had come to a different conclusion, As ing condition, and left them at his de. to the original motion before the Court, parture, as it were, in the broad sun- . He thought it did not go far enough. shine of prosperity: unfortunately they Indeed neither motion did, but still he had since then been overspread with was glad that they had been brought clouds and darkness. As to the amendforward. Where was the use of any ment, if it tended to bring before farther blinking the real question ? Was them any matter, which might afford an it not notorious, that for months past explanation of, or be an excuse for Lord there have been rumours current in every Amherst’s conduct, he would not object circle, of the removal of Lord Amherst ?

to it.

He would be very unwilling to Could the Directors deny the fact ?. throw any obstacle in the way of what Let them deny it if they pleased; but might be thought a justification of his if they did not, their silence on the conduct. If, therefore, it were stated to subject would answer his purpose equally him that the documents now called for : well (hear, hear !): for if the fact was were to be forthcoming, and that the not denied, he would take it as admitted. Directors would pledge themselves, that He would ask the Directors, was not they contained matter sufficient to remove the Duke of Buckingham mentioned as all imputation from Lord Amherst, then the successor of Lord Amherst ? He he would give his vote for the amendment.' did not urge the question as having any If, however, the information demanded objection to a change; for in the present should be refused—if the Directors should condition of our Indian affairs,' any still adhere to the appointment of Lord change of a governor must be for the Amherst, or defend his conduct, he would better (hear, hear!), for he thought it call upon them to explain why the Duke impossible it could be for the worse. : of Buckingham had been mentioned as (hear, hear !) With these impressions on his successor? He challenged the whole his mind—and they were the result of twenty-four Directors to deny, that the some acquaintance with, and much con- Duke of Buckingham had been named to sideration of the subject- he was pre- them as the suceessor of Lord Amherst. pared to approve of that which had been

Why was that so?-was it because Lord suggested a year ago ; that, instead of the Amherst's conduct was approved? If not, Company being congratulated on the pro- why was he still continued in office and gress of the war, it would be more for the

was it not, he would ask, because the pargood of the Company and of India to ties were not agreed among themselves be congratulated on having come to the as to who should be the successor? But determination to remove Lord Amherst. he repeated his challenge, and called on These were his sentiments a year ago, the Directors to deny the fact if they and the experience of every day since had could. more and more convinced him of their The Chairman said, that he accepted propriety, and proved to him that every the hon. Bart.'s challenge, and he could day they delayed in bringing about a assure him, that no proposition of the change in India, they only hastened on Duke of Buckingham as Governor-Genea crisis which might prove fatal to their ral of India was ever made to him, as interests in that country, (Hear, hear !) Chairman of the Court of Directors, or to On this subject he fully' concurred in what the Court of Directors, in any way. ( Hear, fell from an hon. gent. who preceded heur! ) him, that if there was any man in ex- Sir C. Forbes pledged his honour that istence who could rescue them from that he had understood that such an applicaerisis, that man was the Marquis of tion had been made to the Chairman on Hastings ; and he thought that the very behalf of the Duke of Buckingham, and he best thing which the Company could do believed the fact, though he would not would be, to solicit his Lordship to return say that it was made in an official form. again to India as Governor-General. The Chairman. “I beg to ask what (Hear, hear, hear !) He was sure nothing the hon. Bart. means by an official form?” that could happen would be more cal- Sir C. Forbes said, the meaning of the culated to inspire confidence in every word was obvious enough. part of our service there, than his arrival The Chairman. “ Then I beg to tell the to take- upon himself the management of hon. Bart. and this Court, that a propoaffairs. He did not, as he had before sition of the appointment of the Duke of said, approve of all Lord Hastings did Buckingham, as the successor of Lord while in India, but the more he had since Amherst in the government, was never heard of several of those matters, the made to me in my public or private chaless he was disposed to condemn them ; racter, in any room or place, verbally or therefore he would be most ready to in writing, directly or indirectly; (hear, eoncur in any proposition to the Court of hear!) and I tell the hon. Bart., that he Directors to the effect that they might is bound to take this answer as satisfacpray liis acceptance of the supreme com. tory, for it is made without any qualificainand. He had, while in India, brought tion.” ( Hear, hear!)

Sir. C. Forbes said, that of course it was the head of Indian affairs, and that his satisfactory as far as the hon. Chairman achievements there were the more me- . was concerned, but it remained to be ritorious, as he had acted without the conseen whether it would not be proposed fidence of the Court of Directors at home. to them by and by. (Hear, hear!) He Now he would assert that the Marquess did not mean for an instant to doubt what of Hastings always had the confidence of their hon. Chairman had said, but it could the Court, nor had he now lost it—and it not be denied, for thousands had heard of was only lately that that confidence was the fact, that the nomination of a succes- endangered, by the indiscretion of some sor to Lord Amherst was in agitation in of his friends, who had brought forward some quarters. The answer of the hon. a motion which he (the Chairman) and Chairman was such as to make him glad others in the Direction could not support. and sorry at the same time. ( Hear, and a He was anxious to give this explanation, laugh!) He was sorry to learn that no lest it should go abroad that Lord Hasofficial communication had been made to tings had acted

without the confidence of the Court on the subject of a successor the Court, and that this should have to Lord Amherst; and he was glad to been stated in the hearing of himself and learn, that the Duke of Buckingham had the Deputy-Chairman, who had, in the not been proposed to the Directors as year 1820 brought forward a motion for such successor. He had every respect a grant of £60,000 to that nobleman. for the bigh rank and great worth of that Did that look as if he had not possessed the nobleman ; but much as he respected confidence of the Court? Such a charge him, he must own he did not think him as this ought not to be lightly hazarded. just the man who ought be sent out to It was not his intention to have introgovern India, in the present state of her duced the subject of Lord Hastings, but affairs. That task was at all times an he was obliged to do so by the observaarduous and difficult one ; but it had been tion of the hon. gentleman : he had now rendered peculiarly so, by the course of done with it, and he hoped he should management pursued since the commence- not have to advert to it any more. ment of Lord Amherst's administration. With respect to the motions before the In conclusion, he would give his assent Court, he very much regretted that either to the amendment, in the hope that the of them should have been brought forward. information sought for would be sup- As to the second motion, or rather the plied, and that such other documents amendment, it was not in the power of might be added, as would give the Court the Directors to comply with it. Both of Proprietors full information on the the motions, he must say, had been whole of Lord Amherst's government. brought forward on very light grounds He hoped the learned gentleman (Mr. R. for subjects of such great importance. Jackson) would so shape his amendment Every man who had connexions or friends as to reach those other papers to which in India, or who had some corresponbe alluded.

dence with that country, heard opinions Mr. R. Jackson said, that the informa- as to what was passing there, but these tion he asked for was confined to the were only the opinions of the individuals origin and management of the Burmese who wrote. Every man might have his war, and to the mutiny at Barrackpore. own opinion on the subject, but he would These he considered to be at present ask, were the reports contained in private within the power of the Directors to letters the grounds on which they should, grant; but he did not wish to wait for in- not merely try, but absolutely dismiss, formation on other matters, which would without trial, their Governor-General ? require the lapse of a considerable time (Hear, hear!) He was not much of an before they..could reach them.

orator, but he thought that no oratory A Proprietor wished to have it under- was required to point out the absurdity stood, before the motion was put, what and gross injustice of such a mode of were the particular documents sought proceeding. (Hear, hear!) His advice for, that there might hereafter be no de- to the Court would be, to have confidence bate as to whether the request of the in their Governor-General, while he conCourt bad been properly complied with. tinued at the head of their affairs. It

The Chairman said, that before he was their duty to support him, and to offered any remark as to the questions leave such matters as were the subject more immediately before the Court, he of the present motions to the discretion wished to make one or two observations of their Directors. If they had not conas to a part of an hon. Proprietor's (the fidence enough in their Directors to do Hon. D. Kinnaird's) speech. He did not this, then he would say, let them remove know whether he had rightly understood them at once. He had been thirty-five that gentleman, but if he had not he years in the service of the Company, and might set him right. The hon. gentle- it had been the great object of his life man (as he understood him) had said, that to acquire and preserve the confidence Lord Hastings had been the most suc- of the Proprietors; if they now said cessful Governor that had ever been at they had not confidence in him, he was



prepared to surrender up his trust. (Hear, that even to this course there was an obhear !) On the subject of the original jection. They were now told from the motion, he would say that it was chair, that the information sought for matter which should be left entirely to could not be given; that it was relating the discretion of the Court of Directors, to a war, and that it was in the keeping if tlie Proprietors continued to repose of a secret committee. Well, then, if that confidence in them : as to the amend- were so, they should proceed without it. ment, calling for particular documents, He contended that they had sufficient of it was not in the power of the Directors uncontradicted statement to go upon. to grant them. The contents of these The motion for the recall of Lord Weldocuments were known only to a few of lesley, had been submitted upon much : the Directors, who were constituted by slighter information than they now pos-. the legislature a Secret Committee, to sessed. However, he would say again, whom such matters relating to the that he was now willing to withdraw his. carrying on of war in India were re- motion, provided the Directors would ferred. He might, as a member of that give an assurance that all the information Committee, be acquainted with the do- in their possession and in their power to cuments in question, but he could not give on the subject of the Burmese war, disclose them. He looked upon himself, would be laid before the Court, otherwise as the depository of such matters, rather he would persist in pressing the motion. as the servant of the Legislature than of The original motion was now putthe Company; and in that character it there were only eight hands held up for: was not in his power to disclose the the affirmative, whilst the greater part of matters that came before hiin. The the Court voted on the negative. amendment, therefore, if carried, would The Chairman then declared it to be not be productive of the desired effect, negatived. as the Court of Directors, to which it On the amendment being put, would be addressed, had it not in its Sir C. Forbes observed, that none of the power to comply with such a request. candidates for the Direction had voted He would therefore earnestly recom- either way on the last questión. mend, that both the original motion and A Proprietor near the hon. Bart. dethe amendment should be withdrawn. clared that this was a mistake on the hon.. Neither the one or the other could be. Bart's. part, as he (the Proprietor) had. productive of any good, and the assent to held up his hand against the motion. them might be a cause of no inconsidera- Sir C. Forbes then addressed the chair, ble injury to the service of the Company. and begged to put another question on the

Mr. Hume said, that the object in bring- subject of the Duke of Buckingham.ivg forward the motion, was not to cause (Hear, hear !)-After what had already any embarrassment to the public service been answered by the hon. Chairman on of the Company, but, on the contrary, to this subject, he could not doubt that the rescue the Company from the danger of noble Duke had not been proposed to the projects which threatened to involve the Court officially or otherwise, as the sucruin of their army in India. It would be cessor of Lord Amherst; but he would recollected, that before he submitted this beg to ask the Directors whether they had motion, he had over and over again asked not one and all been canvassed by the for information on the subjects to which it friends of that nobleman to give their supreferred. That information had been con- port to' his nomination ? stantly refused ; and now, when he was The Chairman._“I have no hesitation driven to the use of information derived in answering the question in the negafrom private correspondence, he was tive,' charged with going on light and trivial Other Directors were now about to adgrounds. If the private communications dress the Court on the same subject, but to which he referred were ill-founded as the Chairman interfered and said, that it to their facts or conclusions, nothing was was not consistent with the dignity of the. more easy than to set the public right on Court that the Directors should be thus the matter by saying so from authority. catechised. If the Directors could contradict them, why The amendment was now again put did they not ? but if they could not, then from the Chair, when He contended that in the absence of official Mr. Astell rose and said, he should information, which might be given but was his most decided opposition. The withheld) they were a sufficient ground Court of Directors were the proper per. for the Court of Proprietors to go upon in sons to decide what papers should be laid assenting to such a motion as he had sub.. before the Proprietors. This matter, he mitted to them. He bad no objection, it thought, would have been best left to that should be deemed more advisable, to their discretion, particularly as the subject withdraw his motion, and let the Court of was of so much delicacy. He, for one, was Directors lay before them some informa- always disposed to treat the demand of a tion on which they could rely on this im- Court of Proprietors with all possible reportant subject. He found, however, spect; but their demand, in the present in.


saw none.

stance, must be viewed as a matter of expe- The hon. D. Kinnaird wished it to be diency, or as a matter of right. As a right, unilerstood, whether in future the'rdverhe thought the Court of Proprietors could tisements of particular subjects should be not demand the papers now sought for-- left to the discretion of the Court of as to the expediency of granting them, he Directors, and omitted at that discretion,

The Directors would, in their as in the case of the subject which they discretion, lay all necessary information had just decided, or whether there was before them, without being urged by the to be any fixed rule on the subject. speeches of honourable gentlemen, as on The Chairman replier, that he thought this occasion. But he did not think that, it better that these things should be left in the 'exercise of that discretion, they to the discretion of the Directors. could or ought to grant the papers sought Mr. Hume observed that that was the for. As to the rumour respecting the ap- very thing which he wished to avoid ; pointment of the Duke of Buckingham as after what he had seen of the exercise of successor to Lord Amherst, it had been that discretion to-day, in the omission to so fully answered by the honourable Chair- advertise the notice of motion for Lord man he did not think it necessary to say Amherst's recall he was disposed to a word upon the subject.

leave as little as possible to their discretion Mr. Hume said, that he also hail heard in future. He understood that a requithe report of an appointment of a suc- sition signed by nine proprietors, calling cessor to Lord Amherst; and that the on the Directors to make a Court special only reason why it did not take place for any particular motion, must be allverbefore now was, that ministers could not tised by them in the usual way. The agree amongst themselves as to who the requisitions they had already received, successor should be. After this refusal were signed by only two proprietors; but of information, he thought it a hopeless to put it out of the discretion of the Direccase, and he was only sorry that India tors, he now tendered to them a requishould be left to such a governor.

tion to the same effect signed by nine The question was now put from the proprietors. The requisition was then chair, and síx hands were held up in its handed in. support. A much greater number were Sir John Doyle wished it to be underheld up against it. The Chairman stood with certainty as to the day when declared it to be carried in the negative. the particular motion noticed would come

Mr. R. Jackson gave notice, that if the He feared the motion of which he question of the Suttees, or the assassina had given notice could not come on, tion of Hindoo widows, were not in a uuless gentlemen consented to make short time taken up by high authority, he much shorter speeches. would at no distant day submit a motion The Chairman observed, that undoubt: to the Court on the subject.

edly it was in the powor of nine On the question of adjournment being proprietors to have any court made put,

special for the discussion of a particular Sir John Doyle said, he would post question, and then it would be advertised pone to a more distant day, in conse- in the usual way; but he thought that the quence of the illness of an honourable Directors had the discretionary power of Director who was personally concerned, refraining from advertising questions of a the motion of which he had given notice, dangerous tendency, such as that which for taking into consideration the Oude they had decided about Lord Amherst. papers.

Mr. Hume repeated that it was in order It was now proposed that the Court to take that discretion out of their hands should adjourn to the 18th of January. that he tendered them that requisition. Some proprietors wished to know, whe- The Deputy Chairman intimated that ther an earlier day could not be named? the honourable proprietor might defeat inis

The Chairman said he did not think an own object, in the course he was about to earlier day after the holidays could be pursule ; and suggested that it would be named. They might, if they pleased, bettor that the meeting on the 18th of command the services of the Directors January, should stand as an adjournment for Thursday and Friday, and have the of the general quarterly court, in which adjournment fixed to one or other of those case the two notices already advertised days ; but he did not think that an earlier would be in the order in which they now day after the holidays, than that which he stood, and come on before other matters. had already mentioned, would be con- Mr. Hume upon this suggestion convenient.

sented to withdraw the requisition. Mr. Hume wished to ask, whether the Mr. R. Jackson concurred in the view two subjects which had been already taken by the honourable Deputy Chairadvertised for discussion on this day, but man, and thought it would be better to unavoidably postponed, would be noticed allow the subjects to stand in the adjourn in the advertisements for the next Court ? ment in the usual manner.

The Chairman said, certainly they The Court then adjourned to the 18th would.

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